https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eKQ0obLJVdI&list=UUSTVGU0oHJp-gvlYPfWUvWQ

I was honored to be on the UFO Podcast panel with Stanton Friedman, Travis Walton, and Kathleen Marden at the UFO Congress in Arizona in February of 2015.

(I speak at 31:53 and 45:01)